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Pro-abort blogger Tao Te Xark today discussed two recently released films, Waitress and Knocked Up, wherein both female leads encountered unwanted pregnancies, had their babies with nary a thought about abortion, married their princes, and lived happil... [Read More]

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S&F

Interesting take, but I disagree.

I find abortion repugnant, but for whatever reason some women feel desperate enough to take this avenue. I wouldn't take the option from them, that doesn't mean I have to sing and dance about it.

I'm all about free speech, that doesn't mean I don't still consider Fred Phelps a douche.

If you made people like me who are reluctant allies absolutely pick pro-abortion or pro-life and demanded we love our position...I think you'd tilt public opinion in a way you don't want to go.

Heather

I also saw Knocked Up this week. Regardless of whether or not once considers abortion a right, it's not exactly fodder for comedy, unless it's of the Andrew Dice Clay variety. I thought it was implied she had wrestled with the idea when she called Ben to say she was keeping the baby. Again, I'd be a little annoyed for paying 8 bucks to sit in an uncomfortable seat expecting comedy and sitting through a cry fest or a logical breakdown of the pros and cons. I'd feel differently about a serious movie

"Get it taken care of" has always been an obvious euphemism for abortion, in both light and dark films.

Daniel

S&F makes an extremely relevant political point. While it may be true that cultural conservatives have succeeded in making parts of this debate radioactive, it's also true that Americans generally support abortion rights, with an asterisk. That asterisk represents late-term abortions, which are both rare and utterly unsupported by the electorate, plus a generalized ambivalence that says "we support the right, but we don't like it being used as casual birth control."

So, yes, both sides run something of a risk when they ask people for an all-or-nothing commitment to an absolute (right: fetus is sacrosanct; left: choice is sacrosanct). Which is why I feel very hands-off on abortion debates right now: polls show Americans are uncomfortable with the subject and might want to doodle in the margins, but generally support the status quo.

To Heather: I don't think BD is arguing for more abortion humor. I think her point is that the abortion topic has become so taboo that our cultural references to it have to be coded, that knowledge of a woman's abortion history is so charged with judgment that it paints her character in primary colors rather than subtle hues.

And in this I think BD raises an interesting point. There are women all across America who've had an abortion and pick up on these cultural "shame cues." So they're living with ambient shame for exercising a legal right. That's quite a conflicted situation, yet another example of the contrast between our inner reality and our public personnas.

Heather

I didn't think she was arguing for more abortion style humor, I just felt it seemed a strange example of a place to look for a serious consideration of abortion. It's a pretty heavy subject for a comedy.

Taylor

On Sex and the City years ago, they had an episode that dealt with this topic. Miranda accidentally got pregnant, and when she went to have the abortion, she decided not to go through with it. However, in the same episode, the shows Herione admitted that she had an abortion once and Samantha admitted she had two.

And I remember being so shocked that they were talking about abortion, which is especially odd, because most women have at least been in a position where they thought it was a choice they would have to make. I've never had an abortion, because I've been lucky, but I've definently THOUGHT I was pregnant a number of times, and I've agonized over the decision.

But you're right. It simply doesn't exist in popular culture. Even in my own world, I find it hard to actually use the word. I, who am virulently pro-choice, coudn't even say the word to my best friend who actually HAD an abortion. How crazy is that? I've started trying to use the word abortion, instead of a euphemism, if it ever comes up, and I have to admit I get a satisfied feeling when I see the minor shock on people's faces when I say it. Society needs to be able to say the word before we can hae a reasonable discussion about the issue.

And as a side note, I read an article with the writer of Knocked Up and he said that he wasn't encouraging people not to have abortions, but, as he put it, it would be a short movie if she didn't have the baby. I get the idea that he was somwhat uncomfortable with people thinking that he was advocating one choice or another based on his very silly comedy.

Alison

BD, I loved this post. I agree with you completely about the stigma and shame surrounding abortion, which is why I've started speaking out (probably obnoxiously often, these days) about my own abortion. I have one of the "I had an abortion" shirts, and I've worn it to escort women into the abortion clinic in Charleston (and let me assure you that you do get some very hostile looks when you're wearing that shirt in any mainstream context).

I think it's increasingly important for women who have had abortions and who are in a position where they feel able to do so to speak out. 43% of us have had them--this is a lot of women. I'm happy to give up the "nice girl" label if giving it up allows me to make decisions about my own life.

Spibby

I haven't seen either of these movies yet, but I believe I've read enough about them to join in. That plus BD's brilliant framing of the issue and commentary on the discursive stakes.

I'd just like to add two points to what BD and a few others have said regarding the "comedy" aspects of talking about abortion. First, I agree with BD that the issue isn't so much stifled by the comedy genre itself, but by of what people are doing with it. Or, more specifically, what they are *not* doing with it, which is providing socially progressive messages. I love the other Apatow movies I've seen, but they are more about pushing the "gross" envelope than anything.

Probably the best (and maybe only) example of a funny movie that dealt with abortion openly (very openly) is Cameron Crowe's brilliant "Fast Times at Ridgemont High," where the JJL character has an abortion, and she and PC take some measure of revenge on the deadbeat dad in the film. Those scenes are not played for yuks, but are shown as scenes from a day in the life. So, it can be done. Not only can abortion be discussed in a comedy, in can be done in highly reflective and "aware" manner.

But BD's right -- pop culture could talk about abortion, but does not. My second point I'd add brings the genre element back in. It's not that abortion is anathema to comedy films, as Crowe proved, but rather that contemporary comedies are all about people not being able to make decisions. The rhetoric of abortion is, of course, centered around the word "choice," implying intent and action. The "slacker comedies" of late are about people who are largely inactive, suffering lives of quiet desperation of their own making. Everything works out in the end, but not because anyone made a decision other than to just keep going down the paved road. The characters are quirky and rough at the edges, but the ending is always "happy." (The class issues are pretty big here, as well, as these characters typically are comfortably situated already, making their inaction seem less like laziness than ennui -- they're entitled to their inaction.). The most action that takes place is Character A chasing Character B at the end and then they get together. But this is just punctuation.

Maybe what's missing from contemporary comedies are characters that are complex enough to make decisions.

so many movies...

Citizen Ruth. 1996. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen_Ruth
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0115906/

jmsloop

BD asked that I alert readers to the following article in Sunday's NYT relevant to her post.

Tim

From NYT: "Nearly two-thirds of unwanted pregnancies end in abortion, data from federal surveys shows."

Can someone help me out with this? Where does this stat come from?

Is this a new statistic from the The National Campaign (p. 4, Fig. 6, pdf)?

Best I can tell, Guttmacher disagrees and I can't get there using the NCHS/CDC federal data (p. 154, Table 16, pdf) either.

From NYT: "Many conservative bloggers have claimed “Knocked Up” as an anti-choice movie, in part because the movie never presents abortion as a serious option."

Who? How many is "many"?

toast

i agree that abortion is generally not a festive entertainment topic. as a woman, i know plenty of women who've had one or more for various significant reasons, and not all of those were desperate in their decision-making process.

perhaps abortion is not a common theme generally because it is a very sensitive issue personally, religiously and politically. it's worth noting also that miscarriages, vasectomies, hysterectomies, still births, circumcision, D&C's for non-abortion events, etc. are also generally not typical topical fodder. it's not so much denial of their reality and impact as a testimony to the disquiet that can surround them i think.

is it popular entertainment's divine mandate to represent life in all it's statistically accurate glory?

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