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Tuesday, August 18, 2009

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Chuck Boyd

Hey Dan, as a relative "newbie" on Medicare (5 years), I have no complaints. It does what it does and I have been well treated.

That's my experience - so far - with "socialized" medical care.

Jason Butler

When I imagine "post-partisan," I'm really dreaming for "grown-up."

JanetLee

As one who sees daily how the system works - the wealthy who can pay the bills themselves get what they want, the poor who have the "socialist" government paid care pretty much get what they need (when they have physical access which is a different animal all together).

Those of us in the middle with private insurance usually get told what we can and can't have done or what order of interventions the doctor must use are the ones who are not getting good care.

Example: My elbow hurt real bad. My doc wanted to send me to an ortho doc and get a cortisone shot. Easy, cheezy. Not so fast says my (very excellent, actually, in comparison) insurance company. I am not *allowed* to do that. I must go to get an elbow brace, then I must go to physical therapy for x-amount of visits, then and only then could I have the treatment my doctor wanted in the first place - which was the one that worked (four years and holding).

I see benefits for a public option everyday. People without insurance wait until they are so sick, they think they are going to die, then go to the ER. If they had been able to see a doc, a simple treatment could have solved the problem, but now we (the taxpayers) are paying a huge bill for emergency care, instead of a small bill for a doctor's visit.

An acquaintance has a adult son with some pretty serious mental health issues. He is college educated but can't hold a job because he can't get insured so he can't get his medications reliably, and when he can't get his meds reliably, he can't hold a job. It is a horrible cycle that is making a citizen who otherwise would be self-reliant (and tax paying!) into a dependent.

A friend has a daughter born with a serious kidney disorder. She almost died before she could get a kidney transplant at age two. The medical care was so complex that my friend's husband had to quit his job to care for the child while my friend continued to work because she had the insurance. When the private insurance capped out, they got Medicaid due to her condition. When she got older and more stable, the husband returned to work because "it was the right thing to do", he waited the six months for the pre-existing condition clause to expire. Now Medicaid and the new private insurance just refuse to pay, each saying the other is responsible. The uncollected bills are turned over to a bill collector and this family, who just wanted to do the right thing and take care of their child, have had their credit ruined. There have been months where the pharmacy has had to refuse to fill the $1000's a month anti-rejection drug prescription, forcing them to ask, do we pay the bills and eat or do we let our daughter die?

And I know what end of life counseling and hospice are - they are awesome things - do not come back with the evil lie that that little girl would have been put before some "death panel". If you actually believe that, you have no place in this debate. If you say it because you like to be afraid or try to make other feel afraid, then go do some soul searching, because you are not fully human any more.

Sorry for the rant, Dan.

Dan

It was beautiful. Thank you.

xarkGirl

This is a fantastic, thoughtful response, JanetLee. The opposition to reform is an 'emotional freakout" not rooted in anything close to practicality or truth. I think that every senator or rep who refuses to act like an adult on this should voluntarily give up their COngressional health benefits.

Joey

As the father of a son with cystic fibrosis health care reform is more than an academic debate.
At six weeks old the doctors kicked me in the stomach when they gave me the news that I would one day have to bury my son. A little more than a week later I was kicked in the teeth when the pharmacy wanted $3000 to pay for the meds for me to take my baby home.
I have a job. By comparison, I have pretty good insurance. My employer pays thousands of dollars for "their portion" of my coverage. I have looked for jobs and been offered several. All of them for more take-home pay than what I have now.
I had to refuse each one. Why? Because they didn't offer insurance or offered a plan that would negate any additional money I would make.
After housing, the largest expense we have is medical. Oh, did I mention I had a brain tumor?
Next week my youngest son turns three. By Christmas this year we will have paid off the bill from his birth.
"Costs spiral" out of control. The argument that reform or a "public option" would reduce choice is flat out laughable.
How many decisions are taken out of a doctor's hands now by a bean-counter?
All that still leaves the moral obligation unanswered. We are fond of referring to ourselves as the "richest" nation on Earth.
What does it say about us if we can not provide for the least of our brethren?

Dan

Here's more evidence that the White House is doing the math and increasing the pressure on conservatives (in both parties) to get serious about compromise.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/08/19/health.care/

I would rather not see reconciliation (a simple-majority rule) used to pass this bill in the Senate, but signaling a willingness to use it is a big stick if you're trying to force negotiations.

Wikipedia has a concise explanation of reconciliation, and there's an interesting account of its application in 1996 here.

I didn't remember this, but Democrats wanted to use reconciliation to pass the Clinton-era health-care reform package, but were thwarted by Sen. Robert Byrd, D-WVa.

A GOP freakout on reconciliation might be a legitimate complaint, but since they're already entering the Chicken Little Zone with their "Death Panel" claims, a better question becomes: Who would take them seriously?

Particularly after Sentate GOP leadership tried to push the Nuclear Option over judicial appointments in 2005. Plus it was a GOP-led Senate in 1996 that invoked reconciliation in an effort to confront President Clinton, followed by GOP reconciliation votes during the GWB administration that ignored the Byrd Rule to pass the Bush tax cuts.

Gonna be kinda hard for Republicans to make the case that the Democrats would be crossing the line with this when they've been all over that line for years.

Dan

Comment didn't take my hypertext link, so here's the link to "The Day the Senate Died," which describes the GOP's decision to expand reconciliation to defeat the power of the Democratic minority.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=S6135&dbname=1996_record

Joe

Dan I don't agree with everything you said but it does give me a differant perspective to think about.

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